Adobe erases 0.01% of iPhone userbase in Flash revenge ploy

Completely biased reporting...If flash was done, then that would mean, by extension, pretty much most of the internet is too...I (and most intelligent people for that matter) seriously doubt Adobe having it's employees use Android based phones is "to cripple the entire iPhone platform. It stands to reason that the move is to showcase to everyone that flash will work on mobile devices...Not sure about "geek wanking" in reference to Android, but one may assume it's a lame attempt at trivializing what Android mobile devices can do. Not sure if that's wise, considering the iPhone 3gs can't do what lower tiered older model mobile devices have been able to do...As "ancient" as flash may be, it's telling that it's supposed successor can't come close to it in terms of interactive web design as well as being easy to develop for/under. And since no one can predict the future, it is premature to say what IS going to happen with html5, flash, or any other web related technology. We all will have to wait and see, including the writer of the completely biased, unobjective piece I'm responding too...Oh, and all fanboys of any tech or platform can eat a dick.

The original article cited DID NOT SAY that Adobe was denying iPhones to its employees. It said Adobe was GIVING FREE ANDROID PHONES to its employees. Big difference. But I guess an accurate story here wouldn't allow you guys to get your jollies.Look it up:http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20003922-94.html

My compliments to the hundreds of thousands of developers who are currently creating software for the iPod, iPhone, and the iPad without ever using Flash. With over 4 billion downloads of your products, it seems that the buying public is voicing their opinion about the need (or lack thereof) for Flash in a mobile environment.And my compliments to the hundreds of thousands of developers who are currently creating software in the Flash environment and are, it seems, more than willing to forgo a market of 100 million users instead of rising to the call of learning how to properly develop an application for Apple's products. My friends, you have stones of steel and more power to you. I know I would have a difficult time walking away from that size of a market (and one that is growing every quarter). But these diehard individualists, these buggy-whip manufacturers in a time of automobile supremacy, these Greyhound Bus travelers in a time of wide-bodies super jet, these mavericks are toeing the line and sticking to their principles of holding high the flame of antiquity and proclaiming loudly, "WE WILL NOT CHANGE. THEY REST OF YOU CAN TAKE A FLYING LEAP!"

My compliments to the hundreds of thousands of developers who are currently creating software for the iPod, iPhone, and the iPad without ever using Flash. With over 4 billion downloads of your products, it seems that the buying public is voicing their opinion about the need (or lack thereof) for Flash in a mobile environment.And my compliments to the hundreds of thousands of developers who are currently creating software in the Flash environment and are, it seems, more than willing to forgo a market of 100 million users instead of rising to the call of learning how to properly develop an application for Apple's products. My friends, you have stones of steel and more power to you. I know I would have a difficult time walking away from that size of a market (and one that is growing every quarter). But these diehard individualists, these buggy-whip manufacturers in a time of automobile supremacy, these Greyhound Bus travelers in a time of wide-bodies super jet, these mavericks are toeing the line and sticking to their principles of holding high the flame of antiquity and proclaiming loudly, "WE WILL NOT CHANGE. THEY REST OF YOU CAN TAKE A FLYING LEAP!"

I find it interesting that Adobe is bemoaning the fact that they have to play by Apple's rules if they want to sell their products in Apple's store.Years ago Adobe made a poor business decision - writing off Apple as dead and moving their focus to the Windows platform - and they're making another one now. It is, however, reassuring that Adobe and it's cadre of Flash programmers can afford to walk away from 100 million potential customers. Only time will tell if that decision is the correct one.Daring Fireball says: Whether you agree with Apple’s steadfast refusal to allow Flash on its mobile devices, the lack of Flash doesn’t appear to be hurting Apple device sales. Even without Flash support, Apple recently reported it has sold a total of 50 million iPhones and in only a few days, 500,000 iPads, not to mention a vast number of iPod touch devices (about 85 million). Some consumers do refuse to buy a Flash-less Apple device, but I’d wager that they’re in the minority.Number of iPhones with Flash Player: 0.Number of competing phones with Flash Player: 0.We keep hearing that the second number is going to change. If and when it does, we’ll see whether it’s a competitive problem for the iPhone and iPad.

Completely biased reporting...If flash was done, then that would mean, by extension, pretty much most of the internet is too...I (and most intelligent people for that matter) seriously doubt Adobe having it's employees use Android based phones is "to cripple the entire iPhone platform. It stands to reason that the move is to showcase to everyone that flash will work on mobile devices...Not sure about "geek wanking" in reference to Android, but one may assume it's a lame attempt at trivializing what Android mobile devices can do. Not sure if that's wise, considering the iPhone 3gs can't do what lower tiered older model mobile devices have been able to do...As "ancient" as flash may be, it's telling that it's supposed successor can't come close to it in terms of interactive web design as well as being easy to develop for/under. And since no one can predict the future, it is premature to say what IS going to happen with html5, flash, or any other web related technology. We all will have to wait and see, including the writer of the completely biased, unobjective piece I'm responding too...Oh, and all fanboys of any tech or platform can eat a dick.HelSpon

"After numerous delays with its release, the JooJoo finally came out around the same time as the iPad. That was their first mistake. Next they were called out by Adobe for using a beta version of Flash for their production JooJoo tablets. Adobe actually went on further to recommend customers to avoid the tablet altogether and buy from other brands."Oops. No flash for Joojoo either....!!

The difference between Adobe banning iPhones and Apple banning Flash is that the latter never happened.Adobe has never delivered a version of Flash for the iPhone, so it's interesting to see their spin blaming it on Apple. I guess it's Apple's fault that they didn't wave a magic wand and make an iPhone version of Flash magically appear.I guess Adobe took the 'magical' part too seriously.

I'm sorry to inform the Flash Haters that the iPad will not see a bright future like the iPhone. Just wait for the other "Pads" to come out supporting Flash. Flash will not die (Steve Jobs needs to) This is a geek battle...the average user doesn't care about what technology is better, they will just wonder why so much content is missing form their iPads (compared with an HP Slate user for ex.) and they will make the switch. Apple user base are its diehard fans who would use an Apple product even if didn't support the web as a whole...Apple is a niche, they will never take over the masses. And that is fine, they are unique and different, but wrong on Flash.Flash is cool, usable, beautiful, expressive and light. No other web technology can even come close right now. Maybe in 5-10 years, we'll see.

Fanboy.

What retarded 12 year old monkey slapped this garbage together? You say Adobe is dead since it's not being allowed into prince Job's product? Since Adobe is only flash.... right? That'd be like me saying that beatweek is going to go bankrupt over this iPhone fanboy article.

Back when man first created the automobile Adobewas there saying "horses are installed in 99% of the barns".They were on every corner selling CS5 (Corn & Straw 5 Bucks [$1300 after inflation]) As prime makers of buggy whips they decried that horses will always be relevant Cars will never work.100 years later Adobe is still flogging dead horses for a living.They will join "RealVideo" and "IE6" soon.

Awesome link bait, Beatweek. I bet you still use that "ancient technology" called an automobile too, right? Well Steve doesn't want you to use XXX brand gas in it. It will totally destroy your "user experience", plus your car Apple car runs faster with Apple gas. But the average, unsophisticated consumer, who is addicted to Farmville, might not know that. So rather than let you risk ruining a perfectly good engine by running it with the gas of your choosing which could make it run slower, allow you to go racing or even crash (!), Jobs has forbidden it.Right.I can think of a couple other ancient technologies you're not using: HTML, CSS, XML. Yahoo.Oh wait, there's their button right there above these comment. By giving their developers Android phones, Adobe has pulled an Oprah and given them the equivalent of a "free car". Guess what? Everyone loves a free car. And when some very smart people see that their is an equivalent to what many of them may have assumed was a superior platform (iPxx), that the revenue model basically works the same way and that this new platform is experiencing double-digit growth world-wide, they are going to make some very easy choices. They are going to do what is in their own best interest. And when these very smart people realize they can use the tools that they already know--that they indeed themselves make--to develop for it, I'm sure there will be some, as you so elegantly put it, "geek wanking". By deciding to take on Adobe, HTC and therefore by proxy Android and Google, Apple has opened up the equivalent of a multi-front war in China. That's a war even the great Steve can't win.

Ancient Flash technology? You really should try researching your material before publishing such a strong opinion. To say that the soon to be released 10.1 player (that Jobs is so afraid of) is ancient is like saying OS X is ancient because of its (1984) Mac OS heritage. Flash 10.1 is an advanced VG scripting engine that runs a compliant version of most recent Javascript standard. It has been integrated directly into the new chips of almost every mobile chip maker. There are good tactical reasons for Jobs to spread misinformation. If the new Flash 10.1 player is so bad, why are Google, RIM, Nokia, Palm, etc. integrating it directly into their mobile products? It's a little premature to call this one until after the 10.1 player debuts in Q3 2010.

Die-hard Flash arguments sound a lot like the ones used for every other dying technology... People try to hold onto all kinds of things... I remember people who thought they couldn't live without DOS, and people jeering at Apple for launching the iMac without a floppy disk drive...As Jobs pointed out ( http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ ): "Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice... the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short."The computing world is at the brink of a huge paradigm shift. It's untethered, mobile and increasingly about touch. And it's just beginning. People still living with the "PC-era" mindset (mouse and roll-over) don't get it, but once again Steve Jobs has shown that he has the vision and the foresight to call it like it is. So go ahead, cling to your buggy, battery draining Flash--but enjoy it while it lasts, because despite its apparent ubiquity and importance today, its days are numbered...

There are two parts to this discussion. One focuses on the format, the deliverer. The other is content delivered. The first discussion is like not wanting to eat the food on your plate because you dislike the plate it is on, while the second might be more important if you are hungry.People focusing on the technology will be groaning when they see this, but I am watching for the day that all the human knowledge stored in "obsolete" code (Commodore 64, TRS-80, Amiga, HyperCard, Apple IIe etc. etc. etc) is given new life because somebody puts the operating systems in the "cloud."

Getting rid of flash off the internet is a great thing, and I can't wait. First Apple will lead, and Microsoft will follow, as it has been for the past 10 years. Its unfortunate in that being a leader, and not following, by human nature so many feel the need to criticise.

Closed platform = iSuck. No thanks Steve. AOL once reigned supreme, Apple acts just like they did, catering to the uninformed masses while charging more for everything, charging for things that should be free by walling off their system to prevent the free alternatives. Just as the opening up of the internet gradually reduced AOL to a mere shell of its former self, the iRipuoff base will surely decline as consumers begin to realize the open nature and much better value in other platforms. Apple's false shtick that their products are more reliable is a lie and has absolutely no basis in fact. Having used Apple and PC products for 20 years, I have happily gone pc all the way with no regrets.

Android > iPhone

This article is under "Industry News" heading.... How come opinions are categorized under news... since anybody can decipher that this is an opinion.... that too a biased one.... it seems the author perceives that the only phone that is worth using is iPhone and not any other, including Android that is currently being perceived as a serious threat for the "only usable" iPhone. And Mr. Shrikanth is right about the irony. Moreover, these are strategic decisions taken either by Apple or any other company for their own good.... It is Job's way of emphasizing their moto of "user experience" that is important to Apple. But as the same time, their business survival also is... Let us see how the whole drama plays....

www content based on 100% open standards allows for and drives the development of diverse hardware/os platforms even(closed ones) with definite points of distinction.look around at the pc market, pull off the logos and and everybody has basically the same machine and user experience

Mr. Steve the epitome of Closed software complaining about the closed nature of Adobe! what an irony.