Keep bashing Flash
May 3, 2010 by Bill Palmer
We’ve made other outdated technology disappear simply by not engaging in it. We walked away from Geocities years ago, and sure enough, it went by the wayside. More recently we began walking away from MySpace in favor of more modern options, and sure enough, critical mass is flowing away from the old abandoned amusement park by the day. We’re increasingly casting junky flip-phones aside in favor of smartphones like the iPhone, and no one can stop us. And PC users who’ve grown tired of their platform are free to switch over to the Mac any time they wish. So why is that we, the computing public, despite all knowing that Flash is outdated junk leftover from that Geocities era, can’t do anything to get rid of it?
The answer lies in the fact that we don’t control the web; we only think we do. Decisions about what the world’s internet users get to see when they sit down in front of their computers each morning are made by a startlingly small number of developers and webmasters and publishers – and many of them could care less about the quality of the user experience so long as the hits keep coming. Lest we be hypocritical here, while none of our actual content comes in the form of absurdly outdated Flash content, when a misguided advertiser absolutely insists on running a Flash ad, it’s not exactly easy to say no (although we have finally drawn the line on that matter). Nor is it easy for non-technical publishers to say no to their own entrenched developers when those developers insist on clinging to outdated tools that they happen to feel personally comfortable with instead of giving the audience something more palatable to consume.
And yet we, as the internet using public, generally fail to even try to do anything about it. While we might stop visiting a website that’s too embarrassingly laden with Flash, we’re unlikely to inform the webmaster of why we’ve stopped visiting. When fun free games like Farmville surface and they’re only available in a crap format like Flash, we dive in and play the game anyway, despite the awful looking graphics, despite the glitches, despite the overwhelming amount of processing power that gets gobbled up by it – even though the animation, which looks like a third grader drew it, feels like it shouldn’t be processor intensive at all.
But while Apple has done us the favor of forcing Flash off the iPad and iPhone platforms so that their respective development environments can be forced into the present, that doesn’t change the fact that the ancient technology is still holding back both the Mac and Windows computing platforms. And as long as we continue to allow Flash to be shoved at us on our computers without complaint, that won’t change nearly as quickly as it should. While an outright boycott of websites that use Flash might be too much to ask of the internet using public, a much easier strategy involves simply embarrassing webmasters into being afraid to use the technology for fear of looking like buffoons in front of their bosses. And so even as yet another disconnected geek tech publication has declared today in a headline that we should “Stop bashing Flash,” we’re encouraging you to do just the opposite: Keep bashing Flash. Bash it long, bash it hard, bash it proud. Write into webmasters and tell them to get that crap off their site. Keep talking about how lame Flash is any time it comes up in conversation; you never know what kind of influence you might have on the person who brought up the topic, particularly if that person turns out to be a webmaster or to have influence over one. Maybe even Adobe will see the light and cease betting its future on a hand it can’t win.
The more you bash Flash, the sooner it’ll be replaced by something modern, and the sooner you won’t have to put up with seeing it or using it.



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Microsoft is on board with HTML5 to go after Firefox.
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LikeFlash is a great tool. People who are mac followers are just following again. You don't know what you are talking about. Flash provides secure music, secure video and is limitless in graphic layout. Yes, I agree that beginners ruin the flash experience, but that is the case in any technology. Apple just wants total control over everything, and you guys fall for it. You pay double for a machine that does the same job, but yet is slower, and has to many automatic settings. People that know what they are doing are great on a PC, even better. And flash is by far the best thing to the internet since email. So, shut up, do your research and stop being sheep and following the flock of Mac.
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LikeFlash sucks....on Macs. It used to suck on Linux too, but has recently been quite improved.It performs ridiculously better on modern Windows machines in comparison. That said, it is getting long-in-the-tooth as a technology, and eventually it will be replaced. But not today. Video tag standards are not even decided upon in HTML5 yet (h.264 - uh, no. As in NEVER. Obscene fees if you host any content beyond a rinky-dink joke website. Ogg Theora...doesn't look as good. VP8....best hope of the three). This doesn't even get into ease of interactive advertising or ease of content protection issues.Give it time, and Flash will go bye-bye. But you are dreaming if you think that is anytime within the next 5 years.
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LikeFinally a man willing to get up as say "I'm not going to take it anymore!"
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LikeMany seem to think the public is so hungry for flash, but in my experience the opposite is true. I've worked on a large museum site for years and whenever we put the option for a flash experience and an html-only version, the public overwhelmingly choose the html. I'm talking about a three million visit a year site and about 80% did not want flash. The only reason it's really still around is because developers want to use it - not the consumer.
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Likenegative, the html version was chosen because they had crappy computers and/or slow connects. integrated graphics and single core processors do not agree with flash. get real, this is more a reflection of the hardware still in peoples houses. thankfully in todays era, everything is multi core and graphics cards are quickly becoming a must for even regular users.
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LikeThat's just like all the bands that have their entire website created in Flash, and have no idea just how much it's stunting their growth.
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LikeI couldn't agree more, Mr. Palmer! Too often, the development of personal computers and the internet has been stalled by a tendency of consumers to "settle" for the first technology to take hold and make excuses for that technology's shortcomings instead of biting the bullet and moving on when the technology became dated. We can do without Flash, and the sooner the better. Flash doesn't make sense for today's web. The developer community needs Adobe to develop good tools for today's technologies instead of clinging to the Flash product. It is time people said so, loud and often.http://blueblockok.com
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LikeI just love how companies like apple limit what you can do with a device and then try to convince you that its a feature. Flash isn't perfect, but it fills a need on the web that no other technology has come close to filling yet. Jobs doesn't want flash because he wants to sell you apps. He care about your money not your experience. Don't drink his kool-aid demand the right to choose flash. If was really as bad as he says no one would want to run flash, but he knows that they will.
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LikeThe man who invented Flash is rich.There, I did it Beatweek.Flash wasn't a problem until Steve Jobs decided it was. Anyone that's not a designer or a programmer probably didn't know what HTML5 even was six months ago. And they sure didn't care how efficiently Flash rendered video.Flash is evolving just like the rest of the internet. The "problem" with Flash is the same thing that makes it so great. Timeline based animation is really easy for a novice to use, but it's a memory hog for even the simplest of things. Well written Flash applications are the same as any well written application - they work efficiently and well, and vice versa.This is all a PR ploy by Apple. I'm starting to become embarrassed to be a Mac and iPhone user.By the way Bill, it'd be nice if you would cite some examples to "bash Flash" with...you're going to use Farmville? Farmville is a game, for kids.Did you know that Flash video supports the H.264 codec? The same codec that Apple claims makes HTML5 greater than Flash video?And for the record, the "Stop Bashing Flash" article was very well reasoned and well written.One more thing, the day someone invents something that is easier/better/more efficient to make rich media applications with than Flash...people will switch to that. It doesn't exist yet. The most ironic thing about all of this is that Flash was created to do things that HTML couldn't do.At the most basic level of this argument, Flash gives designers a level of control over their design that pure programming can simply not accomplish. That's why a pure programming solution such as HTML5 cannot replace it. It would not be progress. It would make things less intuitive, less interactive, and more poorly designed.
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LikeNo, actually this is a PR ploy by Adobe, because they got 'lazy'. See:http://mindtaker.blogspot.com/2010/05/bw-sez-is...Adobe tried to bluff Apple into saving them. Uncle Steve called their bluff. It was an easy bluff to call.-Drunken Economist http://mindtaker.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/drunk_economist
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LikeBeware of Charyb and Scylla. "The answer lies in the fact that we don’t control the web"Apple and Microsoft intentions to lock the web even more with h264 - which patents are owned by MPEG-LA - which both companies are a part of. Yes flash is old and has many problems, but until there is a patent-free replacement, you are playing right in their hand by advocating to move on flash.
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LikeThat's just copy of Jobs' comment. The real problem lies in censorship by Apple. We're older than 18 and I don't need control by Apple unless illegal. I hate Flash, but I curse Apple. It is OK for Apple to stop coworking with Adobe. I don't care. If they show some warning sign like "you're going to run Flash and it'll crash your computer. do it for your responsibility" kind of thing, I'll very appreciate Apple. But they must not block us from using it. That's evil.
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LikeYours is the kind of anarchist geek thinking that explains why so much consumer technology is so unusably geeky in the eyes of the mainstream. The real world considers the App Store to be the essence of perfection and wide open; only the bubble geeks have any problems with it.
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Likeduh. the general population is nothing but processed food fed sheep LOL. apple encompasses the perfect "we'll give you everything and do the work" attitude that leads to companies dictating EXACTLY what we use on our free times, and the new up an coming generation of individuals who think they are on the cutting edge with all this pre packaged all in one devices. Shamelfully, they are getting a less and less personalized experience every time they power up
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LikeSince 80% of users don't have browsers that support html 5, what alternative are you suggesting to flash? I'm a web developer/programmer who sparingly uses flash for complex animation and video, just like every other professional web developer. It's a necessary part of the toolkit. Your comments will not be well received for another few years. Professional web developers have to provide rich content that 99% of web users can consume.
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LikeMicrosoft has made it clear that they're on board with HTML5; it'll find it way into Internet Explorer eventually. Being years behind the times is the price you pay for using Microsoft's crap; unlike what developers have been doing to us with Flash, no one is forcing you to use the outdated garbage that Microsoft churns out.
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LikeMicrosoft is on board with HTML5 to go after Firefox... hmmmm....So, they're trying to force you to use their "outdated garbage" (your words not mine).
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Likeno one uses IE anymore lol.........resource hungry and slow, security holes galore, etc etc.
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LikeIf by "no one" you mean eighty percent of all computer users, of course. No one should be using Internet Explorer, but that's not the same thing. The biggest trap that bubble-geeks fall into is looking around their immediate geek circle and then assuming that the outside world is doing exactly the same thing as what's happening within their own geek bubble.
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Like"We’ve made other outdated technology disappear simply by not engaging in it." This statement is simply more of the same old techno-scam that has been going on since the 80's. Almost all computer "technology" that we have today and will have tomorrow is basically the same stuff repackaged with a new face and new spin. Everybody wants a slice of the pie, scam, scam, scamming.. true inovation is no where to be found and why should it be as long as glitter and buzz sells to the clueless masses.
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LikeTechnically he didnt use them in the same sentence. Flash may be aging, but just because Ego driven Jobs says he hates it now everyone is suddenly on board. There are other choices if you dont like it. Most people would never say anything about flash until this came up.
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LikeI've been referring to Flash as "crap" for as long as it's existed. It was never anything more than a cheap shortcut, and it's been years since that shortcut has any reason to exist beyond developer laziness. The entire computing public (except for the bubble geeks) figured out awhile ago that Flash was crap, long before Jobs weighed in; as usual, the bubble geeks are the last to be aware of the public's distaste for Flash, because the bubble geeks spend most of their time insisting that the rest of the world outside their bubble doesn't exist - and now they're holding a personal grudge against Apple and Jobs for poking holes in their precious bubble and letting reality seep in.
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LikeThe real problem the tech community has with Flash is that it's easy to develop for, and there is a huge base of re-purposable applications out there for it, so amateur developers can use it. The tech community always wants to destroy any technology that penetrates the market far enough for it to be simple for amateurs to use. Because if amateurs have a technology they can use, they stop paying professionals for the technology they can't use.You can see this quite easily if you read between the lines of the Apple statement and this opinion piece. As soon as there was a simple [and cheap] way to take a Flash app and convert it for the iPhone, Apple banned all converted apps - because they would have "junky code". Or this guy writes "developers insist on clinging to outdated tools that they happen to feel personally comfortable with" - in other words, people want to use the tools they KNOW HOW to use, instead of paying a premium to hire someone to use the "new" tools. It's really kind of a disgrace.
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Likeyour insane....do you know what type of crazy overhaul every casual user would have to take part in if flash was suddenly replaced? way to encourage households to scrap flash, beg for something "modern" and spend bookoo bucks on a new rig. and yes, you WOULD have to. registry errors would be a plenty no matter WHAT you or the developers of the "new" software would say. it would require a fresh build and install of the OS, perios...and im sure it wouldnt work right for years. so stop being myopic. Flash isnt old, it gets updated and has evolved plenty since its release. yes the flash from 10 years ago would be old...however todays flash, is not.not to mention its open source. your obviously biased, in the industry and interested in generating buzz and revenue, and are NOT apower user.
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LikeRegistry errors are not within the top ten reasons Flash needs to go. HTML5 elements are already actively in use by millions of web users, despite insane geek claims that HTML5 doesn't exist yet. No one would need to buy a new computer just to take advantage of whatever replaces Flash; in fact with Flash being such an absurd resource hog, it's extremely likely that whatever replaces Flash will require less computing horsepower, not more.
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Like>> and spend bookoo bucks on a new rig. and yes, you WOULD have to. registry errors would be a plenty no matter WHAT you or the developers of the "new" software would say. it would require a fresh build and install of the OS, perios...and im sure it wouldnt work right for years.I wouldn't be questioning someone else's sanity, pal. Saying you can't remove Flash because it would cause registry errors is like saying you can't cure diabetes because then injecting insulin would put people into shock.
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Likemore reffering to the errors that would naturally occur when removing such an integrated piece of code from ALL of the programs that utilize flash, and replacing it with something new and foreign. removing flash? sure! no problem. now REPLACING flash seamlessly? not going to happen, it will wreak havoc on your system, undeniably. too many things utilize it, it is everywhere. it will crush the general users experience. Stop picking out parts of the convo you like, and please try to grasp the overall message.
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Like"however todays flash is fine,not to mention its open source."I think you need to look up Open Source. There is NOTHING open source about Flash.
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Like3rd party developer, it has an open source framework. flex sdk. in fact, they have a whole "open source adobe" product. try again jade. swing and a miss!
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LikeGiven the limited support of HTML5 what do you expect people to be able to author rich cross platform web content in? Flash may have it's problems but at least it is an option. HTML5 really isn't yet.
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LikeYou can't seriously be using the words "Flash" and "rich" in the same sentence.
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LikeMichael really hits the issue on the head. While HTML5 can replace Flash video - and it should - it absolutely cannot, in its present state, replace everything else Flash is capable of (namely interactive content). Flash is going to be with us for a good long while, yet. It's sad that Apple users won't be able to make use of it and will have to make do with a limited web experience. If you're happy with that, and many users seem to be, then be at peace without Flash. Let the rest of us be.
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